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jbskaggs

@xyz said: Imho there's too much obsession with tools these days. You can efficiently produce almost any kind of visual asset only with Blender and a decent bitmap crunching program like Gimp or Krita.

Nothing wrong with tools. I can tell you some programs are much easier and intuitive than others. Affinty Designer is worlds above most other art assets in its ease of use save maybe Gravit. Yeah it costs $50 but worth it. It is the only program I found a cause worth leaving linux to return to windows over.

Just like the only tools you need to build an entire house is a handsaw (actually not even a saw or hammer just a single edge axe) , square, string and hammer- its much faster and easy using power tools. But there are people who only use the primitive tools- abstaining from even handsaws- just chisels and / or axes. Or people who refuse to any electricity, gas, or running water- thats fine. But if people want to have powertools that reduce their labor, or electricity to eliminate chopping wood, or app's that let them reduce the drudgery of asset production then great.

Im all for people developing and sharing new tools and methods, even if the old ones work just fine. Its how we ended up with this awesome tech to start with. Handcrunching numbers and rotary phones were just fine for society- no need for digitalization. And maybe there's some truth to that. But I enjoy - no I love trying bout new tools. Otherwise I would have never tried Godot. I would have settled for one of the other dozen or so engines I tried before.

If you like your current tools and have no desire to change awesome, if you want to use all the latest tools awesome, both ways and mindsets are awesome as long as you respect my preferences as awesome as well. ;)

xyz

I think the current situation with digital tools is opposite of your house building example. Most of them are power tools but people generally use them like hammers.

jbskaggs

@xyz said: I think the current situation with digital tools is opposite of your house building example. Most of them are power tools but people generally use them like hammers.

Of course! One of the problems with all these digital tools is everybody is trying to invent something unique and popular they can hang their hat own. Some are great and some are garbage. Then there are the users who have never read the manuals or even know what they were invented for.

Then there are those genius users who realize that the tool makes a better hammer than a saw. :) I have owned a few saws that made made better anchors or even hammers than saws btw.

The there are users that no matter how great something is hate it. I mean there are actually people who prefer Unity to Godot. I seriously cant stand Unity- not the actual engine all the DRM bullcrap and what not. I hatez them preciouz.

jbskaggs

But I love testing all these graphic programs and animation tools. Seeing which ones are fun and which ones can kiss my hairy derriere. For example one problem with Krita and Gimp both as been there ever increasing load times- as all the new add ones- though cool can mean I have to wait 20 seconds to a minutes for krita or gimp to load to view an image. Feature bloat is always a problem- especially as I always get feature bloat in my games.

Erich_L

Just wanna share... I am almost 4 minutes into this video and honest to god am crying a little bit because just a year and a half ago I wouldn't have been able to understand it... but so far I can follow along and just feel... so warm and gooey in side.

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said: Just wanna share... I am almost 4 minutes into this video and honest to god am crying a little bit because just a year and a half ago I wouldn't have been able to understand it... but so far I can follow along and just feel... so warm and gooey in side.

Isnt it a great feeling. :)

Erich_L

@jbskaggs said: Isnt it a great feeling. :)

It is so great.. I dream of robot arms that can pick up bananas and squirt ketchup on them and throw them at stupid napping lab assistants. No, they can just grab lab assistants and throw them!

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said:

@jbskaggs said: Isnt it a great feeling. :)

It is so great.. I dream of robot arms that can pick up bananas and squirt ketchup on them and throw them at stupid napping lab assistants. No, they can just grab lab assistants and throw them!

So what will you do with this new wisdom?

Bimbam

edit: oh jees there's a whole other page I didn't see, this might have been answered :S

I had to decimate the clothing because they were way to high poly and that ruined the weighting

Did you try transferring the high poly weights to the low-poly?

There's some caveats but tutorials on how to do it.

fire7side

@Bimbam said:

There's some caveats but tutorials on how to do it. I bookmarked it. I'll give it a look. Thanks. That would save time if I could do that.

As far as tools go, I use all I can get. If someone makes a plugin and did all the debugging and it works for my purpose, I'm going to use it. Sometimes the author just doesn't do a decent tutorial and then it's not worth the bother. I've come across a few like that. The author thinks people should be able to look at the code and figure it out. That doesn't work for me. If it doesn't have a good tutorial or hasn't been updated lately, it's best left alone. Games are a huge amount of work and if you want to do everything from scratch, you better have a lot of free time, especially at my speed.

I've made rigs without IK and animated walk cycles, idle cycles, or whatever I need. IK sometimes works and sometimes doesn't for me. Part of it is probably getting used to it. As far as rigify goes, it looks pretty good so far. I'm going to play around with it and see if it will work out.

Erich_L

@jbskaggs said: So what will you do with this new wisdom?

for now write boring reports so I can finish my degree. Ubisoft has an office down the street... they want C++, 3D studio max, and openGL. yuck. *sigh

cybereality

OMG!!! #GodotEngine is trending on Twitter!!!

I hope Ella had something to do with it...

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said:

@jbskaggs said: So what will you do with this new wisdom?

for now write boring reports so I can finish my degree. Ubisoft has an office down the street... they want C++, 3D studio max, and openGL. yuck. *sigh

Ah the burden of life! You'll do fine I bet:)

cybereality

@Erich_L said: for now write boring reports so I can finish my degree. Ubisoft has an office down the street... they want C++, 3D studio max, and openGL. yuck. *sigh

I used to like 3DS Max a bunch, maybe cause it was the first 3D app I used back in the day. Modelling was much easier than Maya, at least back then. However, after a while I realized Maya was much better, so I was using that for a time, but it was getting expensive so I switched to Blender. And actually, Blender is better than all of them and it's free!

cybereality

I've decided to become a Mini-Sponsor for Godot and get my name on the website (for only $48 a month). I would recommend everyone donate whatever you can afford, even if it is only a few bucks a month. https://www.patreon.com/godotengine

fire7side

@cybereality said: I've decided to become a Mini-Sponsor for Godot and get my name on the website (for only $48 a month). I would recommend everyone donate whatever you can afford, even if it is only a few bucks a month. https://www.patreon.com/godotengine

Yow! that's my internet bill.

cybereality

Well Godot is clearly more important than the internet, duh!

fire7side

@cybereality said: Well Godot is clearly more important than the internet, duh! Yeah, I should get my priorities straight.

jbskaggs

2d editor start times. One problems when you are creating assets or editing assets is when you need to quickly edit or make a file.

Feature growth in these programs mean they load all their components when they run making load times stretch out. This is why I have always liked integrated but separate programs rather than one huge one. I dont need a whole animation system to edit one jpg,. Although one of the fastest loading programs on here is a complete animation software and editor combined.

Here is my list no particular order:
2d graphics programs boot time on my system ( Win 10, 3.8 hz amd, 12 g mem, 1 terrabyte ssd with 500gb free, nvidia geforce with 8gb mem):

Gimp 2.10: 44 secs Krita ver 5: 28 secs Affinity Designer 1.10.4: 34 secs Ms Paint (win 10) 3 secs Inkscape .92 : 32 secs Pencil2d 0.6.6: 3 secs Synfyg Studio 1.4.2: 14 secs Asesprite (Steam): 6 secs PixelArt (online): 4 secs from time clicking desktop shortcut Pixlr (online): 4secs from shortcut Prafitx.com/: 5 secs from load

I cant answer how fast corel painter, or any adobe products are since I own none of those.

Maybe this weird experiment will be use to you. I am still hunting that unicorn of super user friendly intuitive fast game / web asset focused graphics editor. If I find it Ill let yall know.

Bimbam

Not sure whatup with your GIMP 2.10 but mine opens in under 5s (Windows) which is about twice as fast as Krita.

Maybe some funky plugins? I keep mine bare.

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