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fire7side

I had kind of a set back yesterday. I was working on animating a MakeHuman character. Making a custom skeleton and then skinning it afterwards. It comes weighted and skinned, but I had to decimate the clothing because they were way to high poly and that ruined the weighting, so I had to reskin it and I made a custom skeleton from a tutorial on youtube, adding a few of my own features. Anyway, after it was finished I tried to do an animation and it just didn't work out. I should have tried it first with a very simple model, but se la vi. Back to the old drawing board, but I did get some experience and got some new ideas. This time I'm going to try the Blender addon "rigify". I tried it before and couldn't get it to work, but I found a little better tutorial. You can get upset about those things, but it's just part of the learning process. Most of my animations previous to this, I just didn't use IK at all and it seemed to work the best for me. Maybe I'll end up going back to that.

cybereality

I did some animation back in art school in Maya, but it was very crude. I haven't tried since then, and that was a long time ago. Animation is so hard to do right. And the tools are so complex and difficult to use, but I'm going to have to learn.

jbskaggs

@cybereality said: I did some animation back in art school in Maya, but it was very crude. I haven't tried since then, and that was a long time ago. Animation is so hard to do right. And the tools are so complex and difficult to use, but I'm going to have to learn.

All video gamemaking is, in reality, is simply a form of animation that you interact with. From tic tac toe to Skryrim. Its just animation based on timing and choices. This is why you can completely create all your animation in a game engine. Eve if just moving the camera in a render is still an animation. If you can render Ella and Decay you can create some nice animations.

But external animation software list for 2d:

Gamesfromscratch's list: https://devga.me/free/animation-applications/

Plus ASEPRITE, GIMP, and KRITA, RIVEAPP (pretty cool application -Vector/ bones), ENVE - vector/ raster animation , Creature (vector / raster bones), Spriter (vector and raster / bones).

As well as paid such as Mojo, Spine, Animate, ToonBoom, etc.

Piskel is shutting down and does not allow new galleries etc.

A krita animation of one of my favorite graphic novels from when my youngest kids were born.

jbskaggs

My 4th daughter creates and publishes animation since she was about 6 years old, she's about 20 now. She does fully hand drawn, bone animation, and stop motion animation. I will admit her stuff is really weird and turns some people off. So I wont link to it here. But I have watched her spend more than a month on one 1 minute long animation.

cybereality

I'm really upset I threw out all my portfolio from art school. Most of it was bad, some was okay, but it would be cool to post what I was doing 20 years ago just for fun.

jbskaggs

@cybereality said: I'm really upset I threw out all my portfolio from art school. Most of it was bad, some was okay, but it would be cool to post what I was doing 20 years ago just for fun.

That sucks my friend! But I am sure you will (have) produce some awesome stuff!

Erich_L

@fire7side said: I had kind of a set back yesterday....

I need to tackle humans and animations soon, Is there a "best method" or workflow for godot? It seems like there's a bazillion tools, a few clever interpolation methods, and a few ways to mess up. Also, having hands do one thing while feet do another.. I wonder how painful that is Edit: I saw this yesterday and was blown away,

Erich_L

@jbskaggs said: My 4th daughter creates and publishes animation since she was about 6 years old, she's about 20 now. She does fully hand drawn, bone animation, and stop motion animation. I will admit her stuff is really weird and turns some people off. So I wont link to it here. But I have watched her spend more than a month on one 1 minute long animation.

"really weird and turns some people off" well now you've got to share B)

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said:

@fire7side said: I had kind of a set back yesterday....

I need to tackle humans and animations soon, Is there a "best method" or workflow for godot? It seems like there's a bazillion tools, a few clever interpolation methods, and a few ways to mess up. Also, having hands do one thing while feet do another.. I wonder how painful that is Edit: I saw this yesterday and was blown away,

its anime char based and not a new idea- steam used to sell a nearly identical product that died off a few years back.

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said:

@jbskaggs said: My 4th daughter creates and publishes animation since she was about 6 years old, she's about 20 now. She does fully hand drawn, bone animation, and stop motion animation. I will admit her stuff is really weird and turns some people off. So I wont link to it here. But I have watched her spend more than a month on one 1 minute long animation.

"really weird and turns some people off" well now you've got to share B)

Here one of her more normal ones . Shes called Flan Lord on youtube.

fire7side

@Erich_L said:

@fire7side said: I had kind of a set back yesterday....

I need to tackle humans and animations soon, Is there a "best method" or workflow for godot? It seems like there's a bazillion tools, a few clever interpolation methods, and a few ways to mess up. Also, having hands do one thing while feet do another.. I wonder how painful that is Edit: I saw this yesterday and was blown away,

I tried the hands do one thing and feet do another about a year ago with an older version of godot and it didn't work, but I've seen videos now that people are doing it so I'll have to try again. That would be so handy. One thing I did get to work was blend shapes animation for like lip sync and blinking, and those I could run at the same time as an animation with a different animation call. I'm not going to do lip sync. I just want the character mouth to be moving somewhat naturally when reading the dialog. Yeah, that looks really cool if you are doing anime. I usually do my own animations in Blender. There are a lot of different ways of doing it. You can download Mixamo characters too and just pick some animations. You have to join them in Blender I think. Or you can build your character in blender and download the animations. There are tutorials on youtube.
I don't think there is a best method or anything. MakeHuman is a great tool for realistic models, but they have about a million polygons in the clothing. You can use decimate in Blender to bring it down to something usable. In the body model they offer lower poly alternatives. I downloaded the lowest poly human model and I actually had to add some details to it, like ear holes and nostrils. The best thing to do is just start experimenting and find what works. Sooner or later you are going to need some characters. There are things like Creature Creator I think also, but they want money for it. You are going to probably need Blender eventually if only for transferring models to godot in a different format or making small changes. There are a ton of tutorials on youtube.

cybereality

@Erich_L said: Edit: I saw this yesterday and was blown away,

Wow, that looks really easy. Might have to check that out for the next demo.

jbskaggs

@fire7side said:

@Erich_L said:

@fire7side said: I had kind of a set back yesterday....

I need to tackle humans and animations soon, Is there a "best method" or workflow for godot? It seems like there's a bazillion tools, a few clever interpolation methods, and a few ways to mess up. Also, having hands do one thing while feet do another.. I wonder how painful that is Edit: I saw this yesterday and was blown away,

I tried the hands do one thing and feet do another about a year ago with an older version of godot and it didn't work, but I've seen videos now that people are doing it so I'll have to try again. That would be so handy. One thing I did get to work was blend shapes animation for like lip sync and blinking, and those I could run at the same time as an animation with a different animation call. I'm not going to do lip sync. I just want the character mouth to be moving somewhat naturally when reading the dialog. Yeah, that looks really cool if you are doing anime. I usually do my own animations in Blender. There are a lot of different ways of doing it. You can download Mixamo characters too and just pick some animations. You have to join them in Blender I think. Or you can build your character in blender and download the animations. There are tutorials on youtube.
I don't think there is a best method or anything. MakeHuman is a great tool for realistic models, but they have about a million polygons in the clothing. You can use decimate in Blender to bring it down to something usable. In the body model they offer lower poly alternatives. I downloaded the lowest poly human model and I actually had to add some details to it, like ear holes and nostrils. The best thing to do is just start experimenting and find what works. Sooner or later you are going to need some characters. There are things like Creature Creator I think also, but they want money for it. You are going to probably need Blender eventually if only for transferring models to godot in a different format or making small changes. There are a ton of tutorials on youtube.

creature is like 50 to 100 currently, spriter is about $60 or free, dragonbones is free, coatools in blender (which adds spine tools to blender) is free as well. Pecil2d is free, Synfig is free. RiveApp is free- unless you are making films then this $15 a month I think. Spie is $69 to $350 +/-

fire7side

@jbskaggs said: creature is like 50 to 100 currently, spriter is about $60 or free, dragonbones is free, coatools in blender (which adds spine tools to blender) is free as well. Pecil2d is free, Synfig is free. RiveApp is free- unless you are making films then this $15 a month I think. Spie is $69 to $350 +/-

I was thinking Character Creator 3d, but it's $150. Characters look fantastic, though. I just work in 3d mostly, so it's pretty much Blender for me. MakeHuman is 3d but it just makes the character not animations. https://www.reallusion.com/character-creator/

jbskaggs

@fire7side said:

@jbskaggs said: creature is like 50 to 100 currently, spriter is about $60 or free, dragonbones is free, coatools in blender (which adds spine tools to blender) is free as well. Pecil2d is free, Synfig is free. RiveApp is free- unless you are making films then this $15 a month I think. Spie is $69 to $350 +/-

I was thinking Character Creator 3d, but it's $150. Characters look fantastic, though. I just work in 3d mostly, so it's pretty much Blender for me. MakeHuman is 3d but it just makes the character not animations. https://www.reallusion.com/character-creator/

$150 aint bad though. Its when you break that $250 mark which is an pretty steep for low income folks like me. Have you tried Coatools yet?

Erich_L

@jbskaggs on forums: "this is one of her more normal ones..." @jbskaggs on youtube: "This is awesome!!"

rolling around laughing for awhile, thankyou

fire7side

@jbskaggs said: Have you tried Coatools yet?

That looks like 2d also.

jbskaggs

@fire7side said:

@jbskaggs said: Have you tried Coatools yet?

That looks like 2d also.

I dont know I havent used it, thats why I asked. I know it would do 2d but I didnt know if it had lip synching for 3d or what not.

@Erich_L said: @jbskaggs on forums: "this is one of her more normal ones..." @jbskaggs on youtube: "This is awesome!!"

rolling around laughing for awhile, thankyou

Yep I gotta be encouraging. At least this one didnt have animated men's nipples. She can get weird. :) Glad you liked it.

Gowydot

If you guys need help with basic character IK rig set up and animation maybe I can help.

Just basic Blender body rig, IK on elbow and knee. I have not yet done facial animation though. It is very straight forward, follow-the-steps stuffs, so it should be easy, unlike coding :s

I think those free model rig/animation programs would still required a lot of tweakings to get how you like, so it becomes a hassle. It is always better off to build your own rig. (something like better write your own code than fix someone else's)

xyz

Imho there's too much obsession with tools these days. You can efficiently produce almost any kind of visual asset only with Blender and a decent bitmap crunching program like Gimp or Krita.

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