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fire7side

@jbskaggs said: @some_lame_kid

SInce the 1970's early 1980's modern Christian religion in the USA has moved towards entertainment. The term evangelical no longer means to send out missionaries and plant churches- it means conservative republican. I was a preacher since 1989 and I can say you are not far off in your assessment.

I think one of the biggest failures in the church (methoodologically) was the failure to adapt to computers. Gaming essentially would have been a great way to spread Christian doctrine and explore its struggles. Instead they did the whole super fake, super cheesy, moronic, low production quality approach to what few games they tried as they did to much of children's TV programming.

Any one of the great bible stories would be excellent story lines for a game- rpg and some of them rts. And culd convey the nuances and horror at what those peole faced and overcame.

I think you could possibly make Christian games but I haven't seen any that were worthwhile at all. I wouldn't want to try it really. I think it would be better to choose games that have underlying Christian principles like sacrifice for others, forgiving enemies, good Samaritan, things like that told in modern tales.

jbskaggs

Was getting frustrated at the gas prices and my upcoming trip. But I found a car rental service where private individuals rent their cars and I was able to rent an electric / hybrid. Its called Turo. I have not used them but I hope this solves my gasoline inflation problem.

@fire7side said:

@jbskaggs said: @some_lame_kid

SInce the 1970's early 1980's modern Christian religion in the USA has moved towards entertainment. The term evangelical no longer means to send out missionaries and plant churches- it means conservative republican. I was a preacher since 1989 and I can say you are not far off in your assessment.

I think one of the biggest failures in the church (methoodologically) was the failure to adapt to computers. Gaming essentially would have been a great way to spread Christian doctrine and explore its struggles. Instead they did the whole super fake, super cheesy, moronic, low production quality approach to what few games they tried as they did to much of children's TV programming.

Any one of the great bible stories would be excellent story lines for a game- rpg and some of them rts. And culd convey the nuances and horror at what those peole faced and overcame.

I think you could possibly make Christian games but I haven't seen any that were worthwhile at all. I wouldn't want to try it really. I think it would be better to choose games that have underlying Christian principles like sacrifice for others, forgiving enemies, good Samaritan, things like that told in modern tales.

Yes thats the point. You dont have to create Sunday School lessons- just let the principles speak for themselves.

duane

@cybereality said: Yeah. I never understood why there has never been a good game made about Jesus. There is so much material there for an amazing game.

You'd be bound to offend someone, and when people take religious offense, they tend to get violent. Secular societies didn't come about because people stopped believing, they just got tired of fighting religious wars.

Erich_L

I have been sitting on this idea for awhile and I love it.. but haven't developed it very far:

Skyrim except instead of the usual magic and mythological powers, you learn "dragon born" powers with a Christian twist. Get your prayer up and smite heretics! Make big crusader armor and bless your claymore in the divine trinity. The game cashes in on everyone's preexisting knowledge of Christian stuff (which IMO is usually boring) and makes it look awesome, violent, and engaging at HBO levels. So many aspects that people often see as boring (hymns, prayers) are all spectacular when they're the backdrop to strength and violence. Imagine all that Christian stuff... in the light of Strength of Character and fortitude of belief and Indomitable Spirit instead of Jesus guilt?

I convinced a girl to stop smoking yesterday. SMITE DOWN!

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said: I have been sitting on this idea for awhile and I love it.. but haven't developed it very far:

Skyrim except instead of the usual magic and mythological powers, you learn "dragon born" powers with a Christian twist. Get your prayer up and smite heretics! Make big crusader armor and bless your claymore in the divine trinity. The game cashes in on everyone's preexisting knowledge of Christian stuff (which IMO is usually boring) and makes it look awesome, violent, and engaging at HBO levels. So many aspects that people often see as boring (hymns, prayers) are all spectacular when they're the backdrop to strength and violence. Imagine all that Christian stuff... in the light of Strength of Character and fortitude of belief and Indomitable Spirit instead of Jesus guilt?

I convinced a girl to stop smoking yesterday. SMITE DOWN!

Your describing Norse, Saxon, Norman, Logobords, Franks, Latter Roman Empire, Easterm Roman Empire Christianity. I had an ancestor named Skeg (Spelling Skeggs?, Skaggs? , Skag? , Skeg?) the Iorn- he was freeman blacksmith and one of the last priest of Thor. He was killed when he turned his back on Good King Olaf Tryggvason who stuck an axe in his skull. Olaf was trying to convert Norway to Christianity by Sword and Skegg was leading a pagan resistance and stupidly agreed to meet Olaf. The Norse saw this as evidence of Olaf's power as Skeg fell so easily.

I just learned how my Viking ancestors got to England and how their name changed. I digress.

SO yeah any game about any of those "Knightly" christian empires are very hard rough bloody men- who many saw worship thru combat and brutality, would be pretty intense. Very very different to how we would view it today. How they defined rape, murder, adultery, theft, etc are insane to what we would believe today. You debated religion thru the point of a spear.

cybereality

I had an ancestor in Czechoslovakia (I think from the time it was still Austria-Hungary) that was a revolutionary and ended up getting hanged and killed by the government.

fire7side

I'd hate to see Christianity used in that way. There have always been two sides of Judaism and Christianity. The Jews killed almost all their prophets, but especially in Christianity, it was just the hypocrites that used violence other than in self defense. What is it but more of the same? One group with some excuse to slaughter another. We switch from aliens to vikings, to gunmen. Same thing. Now Christians vs Old Gods or whatever. Rinse and repeat.

Rukus

Yea idk modern Christianity is more about self guilt and redemption as apossed to sword and fire crussades. It would be cool historical parody, but I don't think people would understand it. Religion isn't a good commodity nowadays

cybereality

Very interesting article in support of the simulation hypothesis.

https://www.wired.com/story/living-in-a-simulation/

fire7side

Man, I got this asset pack on Unity which is this old farmhouse for 8 dollars just full of models because it's a modular deal. So I downloaded this unity fbx exporter, which works pretty good except it takes about 5 or 10 minutes to export a prefab to fbx. Then he has these huge tff files for normal and color, so I have to scale them down and change to jpg. Then import into Blender and save as an asset file. It's all I can do to save about 5 models a day. Yuck. Still feels like a good deal, but yuck.

cybereality

Yeah, I try to avoid Unity/Unreal assets packs. I get all my art here:

https://www.cgtrader.com/

I try to look for Blender files, as these are almost guaranteed to work. FBX is okay, but many times they are corrupted or the textures don't work or they don't even import at all. Blame Autodesk for making a faulty format and the industry being dumb enough to adopt it. OBJ still works okay, but is very limited.

jbskaggs

The point I was making about historical Christian accounts would make for very good political and actiopn games. One could add in miracles and relics. You dont need any old gods, aliens, or Dan Brown garbage. The actual real tales would be very interesting. For example there were groups who before the reformation that were persecuted- becuase the would do things like teach the bible using tarot or playing cards (fortune telling was perfectly legal and proper, but teaching the bible was a death penalty crime!) , secret signs, marks, and forbidden books!

Just imagine the drama and story you could build playing a Cathar or Waldenese who would try and rescue people from plague and war, while hiding from Roman Church soldiers. Using fortunetelling as a disguise for preaching. You would penalize the player for any hedonism or violence. Reward them for charity, bravery, and spiritual visions.

Not every game needs to be about cleaving heads off with axes. Sometimes it can be about being a good person at risk of being beheaded if caught being good.

cybereality

I'd like to see a game about feeding the homeless.

fire7side

@cybereality said: I'd like to see a game about feeding the homeless.

You have to make sure you give them food, otherwise they will just buy some booze. The trouble is the next day they are in the same shape and there are a bunch of fakers that hold up these signs to make money. Up here we have food shelves which help a lot. We don't have much for homeless because you would die out there in the winter. I'd like to see a game where you are a homeless person and have to figure out how to get by without being a crook. Did you ever see this movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108026/ That was so touching.

cybereality

Looks like a good movie, no I haven't seen it.

Erich_L

@fire7side said:

@cybereality said: I'd like to see a game about feeding the homeless.

You have to make sure you give them food, otherwise they will just buy some booze. The trouble is the next day they are in the same shape and there are a bunch of fakers that hold up these signs to make money. Up here we have food shelves which help a lot. We don't have much for homeless because you would die out there in the winter. I'd like to see a game where you are a homeless person and have to figure out how to get by without being a crook. Did you ever see this movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108026/ That was so touching.

I forget the name but there is a game on steam pretty much exactly as you describe.

cybereality

I started writing a new book about the simulation hypothesis. This one is going to be a lot crazier.

fire7side

@Erich_L said:

@fire7side said:

@cybereality said: I'd like to see a game about feeding the homeless.

You have to make sure you give them food, otherwise they will just buy some booze. The trouble is the next day they are in the same shape and there are a bunch of fakers that hold up these signs to make money. Up here we have food shelves which help a lot. We don't have much for homeless because you would die out there in the winter. I'd like to see a game where you are a homeless person and have to figure out how to get by without being a crook. Did you ever see this movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108026/ That was so touching.

I forget the name but there is a game on steam pretty much exactly as you describe.

I think it's this: https://store.steampowered.com/app/926140/CHANGE_A_Homeless_Survival_Experience/

I'd buy it but I can probably buy an asset pack for my game for that much money. Looks interesting. I'm thinking about adding something like this to part of my game.

cybereality

That sold very well for a $15 indie game. Based on the list price and the average ratio of reviews to sales (1:50), the game would have made over $1 million USD.

fire7side

So, this is a cabinet I got from Unity in an 8 dollar asset pack with over 100 models. Had to export the prefab as fbx. Then convert it to text fbx so Blender could read it. Then export as gltf. Lot of work but it's cheap. This is in the godot editor.

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