Has there or there a program for Godot certification like many other languages / apps have?

jbskaggs

I know this mainly applies for the corporate world, but I think it would be popular among hobbyists / solo guys as well. The ability to have a Godot foundation approved Godot certification. Maybe something like this exists. If not I think it would be cool if there was broken down into 2d cert, 3d cert, networking, etc maybe focusing on the specialty one would desire.

I also think it might help with popularity as when I first asked my wife if she was interested, she immediately wanted to know if she could earn a cert in Godot. So for many like her there is the perception of the need for certified training. Personally I generally tend to self learn.

Bimbam

Personally I hate the concept of certs. More often than not they're an easily acquired (proctored multichoice with answer packs usually available online) money grabbing scam.

But that's just me (still bitter about a M$ cert I got years ago)

cybereality

I've got some certs through my online college. I didn't want them, but they came free with the program so I figured why not. But honestly, they are worthless. If you want to get a job, they will see you graduated from college, and then look at your work experience/portfolio. Some specialized fields do have valuable certs, like for network security or certain IT type of jobs. But in general no one cares. You are probably better off buying a course at Udemy for like $10.

TwistedTwigleg

I do not think there is any certificates for Godot currently, as right now there isn't wide enough adoption of Godot in corporate settings currently. It might be something for the Godot team to look into in the future if the Godot user base grows and there is a large corporate interest. That said, I'm not sure on it's impact. For example, none of the Unity job listings (nor the interviews I went through) mentioned Unity certificates, even though Unity has official certificates. That is not to say they're not useful, just from my experience they were not really something that seemed to matter too much. I imagine it varies though depending on the hiring process for a given company.

Going through tutorials and educational courses (Udemy or elsewhere) can help, especially as it can help teach mechanics or techniques you might not have been exposed to otherwise. It can also help with having some small released projects, which I found was helpful in showing experience.

DaveTheCoder

We could create a Godot certification program right here. If the people here aren't qualified to do this, who is?

jbskaggs

@DaveTheCoder said: We could create a Godot certification program right here. If the people here aren't qualified to do this, who is?

Id be interested in it.

cybereality

But it still doesn't mean anything. It's always about your portfolio.

jbskaggs

I never mentioned this for jobs, but like my wife said its about completing a standard course of training and having something to show for it.

cybereality

Just go on Udemy. They have a sale today, everything is $15. https://www.udemy.com/courses/search/?src=ukw&q=godot+engine

jbskaggs

I know about Udemy, Skill share and others, and thats not what I mean though. There are plenty of 3rd party tutorials out there. I am talking about people who would like to have training thru official quality control and approval. If your not interested I get that. But there are people who are interested it certified training, and as far as jobs go you are correct its your work history, contacts, and portfolio is what gets you hired. But having those certs never hurt either, unless there were bullcrap diploma mill certs with no actual discipleship and training.

Im not feeling well today and I probably am not explaining myself well.

cybereality

I understand.

Megalomaniak

These kinds of certs do have value, to trainers. Knowing that you're paying a tutor or a trainer that has a cert can give a sense of certainty/safety, that you aren't just wasting your hard earned $$$ bills.

DaveTheCoder

Assuming (or pretending) that we're going ahead with this, I was wondering where to start.

I found this example, which could serve as a guideline:

OpenEDG Python Institute Certifications https://pythoninstitute.org/certification/

More details for one of their certifications (includes a sample exam): https://pythoninstitute.org/certification/pcap-certification-associate/

Since Godot is a game engine, its certification would need to be relevant to game creation.

jbskaggs

@DaveTheCoder said: Assuming (or pretending) that we're going ahead with this, I was wondering where to start.

I found this example, which could serve as a guideline:

OpenEDG Python Institute Certifications https://pythoninstitute.org/certification/

More details for one of their certifications (includes a sample exam): https://pythoninstitute.org/certification/pcap-certification-associate/

Since Godot is a game engine, its certification would need to be relevant to game creation.

Looks good, I would though say maybe break the certs down a wee bit more. Game making and Godot is a huge field so I think I would break it down into

Godot level I - either 2d or 3d only or both.

Very basic game design principles, game doc, theme,synopsis, etc

installation,

project creation and handling

editor layout and usage,

github usage,

scenes, nodes, singletons,

node pathways, variables, classes, functions, and constants, basic mathematical usage, assignments and comparisons

asset management, understanding asset file types strengths and weaknesses, asset and file loading, reading / writing saving,

gdscript formatting, naming, organization and coding practices,

checks, loops, arrays, dictionaries, matches

node transforms, movements, scaling, rotations, vector2 and vector3 understanding

Collisions and node signals

Creating gui, 2d textures, menus, sounds, and fx Creating 3d shapes with materials and textures. Importing 3d objs and scenes with materials and textures Optional: 2d and 3d asset creation

Creating animation in Godot and importing animations in godot

creating basic games in 2d: Pong, Creeps, Creeps with shooter, Rpg, Racing (with path2ds), Memory card game, Match 3, notepad clone

creating basic games in 3d: room render, ball in maze, fps, modular character, dialog and 2d gui in 3d games

I think if a person learned all these aspects that would have a elementary level understanding of Godot.

Erich_L

Game making and Godot is a huge field so I think I would break it down into

I think that problem kills the cert idea unless you just focused on script use.. but it's tied to the game engine so there's a can of worms there

jbskaggs

@Erich_L said:

Game making and Godot is a huge field so I think I would break it down into

I think that problem kills the cert idea unless you just focused on script use.. but it's tied to the game engine so there's a can of worms there

Nah, if you look at my list this gives the basics of godot. Answers the most asked questions I see on internet. If you completed this you should be able to make almost any basic game.

I would not do any visual script, lua or any other optional languages at this level.

Future certs can be focused on specific game genre or disciplines, networking what not..

DaveTheCoder

Knowing how to script but not knowing how to make a game would be pointless for a Godot certificate. That raises the issue, though, of C# vs. GDScript. Should the certificate require competency in both? Maybe it could be GDScript, C# or both.

There are other language bindings, but those two are the only officially supported ones.

jbskaggs

AT the first one I would only with the editor and gdscript - no reason why it couldnt be in C# as another option. But this first certificate is focused to take an utter beginner and get him to a elementary level for out of the box Godot. Other languages could be for Level ii or above.

And like I said in my list one of the first topics would be basic game design. And the last two components is completing several games that cover all the basic of the vary base genre.

Let me rephrase my suggested curricula list into a more condensed form:

a. game design-
b. editor usage c. basic coding principles and math d. creating, calling, instancing, signaling, moving, and transforming scenes and nodes e. Creating and modifying assets (optional blender, krita, designer, etc) f. Creating gui, menus, animations, and fx g. create the basic 2d games I listed above h. create the basic 3d games I listed above j. create one original game i. publish one game and learn the varying but basic legal, marketing, and fiscal aspects

At end of course the person should be able to show they can create a complete basic single player game from an idea to a published original game.

jbskaggs

Of course I am letting my dreams get ahead of me. I should probably finish my current projects before I commit to something as big as this. But I do think its a good Idea. Back when I ran UCCBI a free online bible college- the most popular degree or cert was the 1 year worker's cert. It was a very focused certificate that covered the absolute basics needed. Most people did not actaully want advanced training, they just wanted the most efficient and basic needed for their jobs with something that showed their completion of the skills.

So when I look at this topic of Godot cert, I think about when I get trapped into tutorial hell and a never ending chain of jumping from one to another because many of the tutorials are not about teaching skills but providing a monkey see and monkey do video. My mindset would be the beginner does not know what they need, so collate, condense, and expound a complete set game building skills that apply to almost any game- rather than having them copy and paste code from tutorials into the editor with no clue what is happening.

But like I said I am probably stretching myself too thin. When I first asked this it was for my wife and son- then I found myself eagerly wanting to get back into teaching. Which honestly Im not at the level in Godot yet. For now my wife and son are doing the tutorials and I am coaching them with my little bit of knowledge. My apologies if I spoke out of turn here.