Rabbits road map discussion

jbskaggs

Since you guys are the only thing like a local brainstorming lunch- here's my very rough roadmap:

Notes: FPS= 1st person shooter, TDS tower defense strategy, RTS = city building and asset aquisition via mining, trade, farming, tourists etc. Space shooter= Space ship warfare

current state finished 1 tds map as workable proof of concept.
I sucessfully enouraged my wife to join my team thru bribery, romance, sushi, hard lemonade and coffee. She is now learning blender, and will earn godot soon. Hopefully this project can be hers when pass.
game summary: A. You are rabbit space marines Legion Ferrets. Basically you serve as one of Earth's only legal goods to sale to the Galactic worlds: Mercenaries. Each episode of game is based on conflict on one world or solar system. Your job is to fly Legion Ferrets to Marble world- to end the slaughter of the Chomtor- (the marines call them the Spamsters)- a Sapient Hamster race who has hired earth as security fore to save their colony and manfucaturing from the weird and expansionist Marbles. Sapient and sentient or creatures who after watching centuries of earth's broadcasts began to shape change based a weird imitation of Old human Earth and Legends. Particularly that of military, horror, and fantasy.

B Stage 1: Fly the ship from Earth to System Rb109 - nicked named Marble world. Holding 1 livavble planet, and a astreroid belt ripe for mining. and a run down crime riddled space station. This means defending attacks, picking up passengers and supplies, and growing and fleet and colon assets.

C. Stage 2: Land the colony and transport ships and dig out the Warren- Fort CarrotCakes. This warren is the means of growing and expanding planet side production, upgrades and units. Requires digging, mining, room building, resource allocation, farming, some combat from attackers. (TDS attacks)

D. Stage 4: Crisis control board: this shows the current crisis, quests, and goals for MarbleWorld. Five type of missions are possible:

i. Tower Defense actions to protect areas of interest from being destroyed or conquered.
ii. RTS Missions to build asset producing, trade, spaceport, or defense structures.
iii. FPS missions where battle squads are deployed to neutralize a sourcse of attacks and expand territores. By commando raids of forts, bases, etc and capturing flag and killing or capturing the ruling Marble, rescuing hostages - or destroying the base. iv. Space shooter missions- where spaceships and drones defend and harvest assets in orbit v. Lastly negotiation missions where negotiations with the Marblez, Bozz and Legion Ferrets are held.

Basically to stop attcks from a sector the enemy base will have to be infiltrated FPS style and captured. Otherwise TDS attacks from the sector will keep coming and getting stronger.

Between missions, at key moments, and during briefings comic book story stelling occurs- ranging from propaganda posters, to love letters, promotions, demotions, crimes, etc. These rabbits whenever they die are resurrected via a fast grow clone machine that uploads the latest copy of thier minds. "printing out a new soldier"

You have the space station to promote a tourist and commerce hub and spaceship production. You have the warren Ft CarrotCakes as food, shelter, and resource production, And you have sector broad development where the Spamsters pay a tax on their production. As well as the spoils of war from the Marbles.

Map 1. Basic marblez: colored sapient marble attacks base holds colored marles and the BIG RED ONE boss marble. The spamsters have a small farms and can supply food and snacks

Map 2: wonderland defense: Marblez have built a sector based on Alice in Wonderland. Expect royalty, mad hatters, evil rabbit, cheshire cats The base is ruled by the Red Queen and her card and chess themed army The Spamsters hae their entertainment district here and supply propaganda, games, movies, and money

Map 3:halloween town: Marblez have deicated this sector to gothic horror- vampires, ghosts, jackolanterns The base is ruled by the Skull King and his spooky monster marblez. Spamsters produce wines, foods, and export textiles and Pumpkin spice. The spice must flow,

Map 4:Electric Town: Robots galore or all shapes- as long as their marbles. :) Thebase is ruled by a maniacal robot overlord and his armed to the teeth marblez. Spamsters produce machines, metals, weapons and ships here

Map5: SteamPunk Town: The Marbles here are all Johny depp fans and listen the Electric Giraffe. Airships, dirigables and contraptions!
Boss Zedward ScissorFingers rules this base. Clockwork guardians, Top hats and goggles, and crytal based ray weapons gaurd this base. SPamsters here provide rare alloys and and gems as well as steampunk conventions Map 6: NemoLand: Underwater mayhem! Submarines, sharks, octopi, mines, Chthlu? Boss Chthulu- a cranky teenage marble deity with oct arms. His and fish friends rule here. Mer_Spamsters produce musicals, tourism, jewelry and tax haves Map 7: MarblezTropolis all types of marblez reside here. in a comic-con frenzy!
The TDS part you wil face all marble types here. The Emerald Emperor rules here as Spamsters and Marbles of al types dwell here. This final fps will require you to play a political game to dethrone the emperor via a duel, coup, or surrender. Talk to the people at this massive masquearde ball and develope allies and enemies before the clock strikes 3am!

Spacestation play- you do not actally goto spacestation just upgrade and manage it from a map. Spacestation attacks you can fly you fleet to protect the space station.

Astroid mining - you setup factories and harvestors, processors, and shippers and is fairly automatic. Attack warnings let you fly you space fleet over to defend your robots.

Once the format is setup it can be released for each new planet as a new game in the series and my wife thinks she could maintain and do that.

I have written all these aspects before in prior games so I wil be pulling together in my magnum opus of game making.

Please review critique bounce what works doesnt work in your eyes back to me. Thanks

Erich_L

What works? Hmm, cancer drugs seem to be working. They have sugar in there or what? Pulling in different types of games sounds like a huge time investment, not just because you have to program each different type but also because you’ll have to integrate them together. Maybe you really want to experiment with different game types- if that’s the case I’d try to keep them in separate projects as you go.

I am more looking forward to seeing how you make different towers work and more maps after that.

jbskaggs

Hmmm no sugar, Im always like this You may be right- the cool thing about 3d I discovered if that I can use the models in in any of the game genres. But you maybe correct in this being feature creep.

cybereality

I like the idea, but the 3 different game styles is too ambitious. Especially if you are not really experienced (and even then, it's hard to get right). Just pick one style that you think best fits the game.

xyz

The concept sounds nice and the world seems fun. However, to pull this off you'd need a pro rabbit battalion working full time for several years. Maybe even the whole Legion Ferrets :)

jbskaggs

I dont think it would be that hard as I already made the base code for the other aspects.....

But lets brain storm this better please.

The spamsters would not be seen save via cutsscene dialogues,l just tiles showing tile asset growths bonuses. And as humor inserts. Star Drive II style

I want to keep the art styles together- so we can still have themed maps where enemies match the theme- essentially just different mesh changes and music.

The fps shooter aspect I already coded out a basic level. Doesnt seem hard to add.- But of course could just as easily be a tower defense where we lay seige to his main base. Would just require the boss tryin to escape at end and be shot down- versus hunting him fps thru his base. Which I think woud be a kick butt bonus play for beating the map! May I could prototype both and see which plays best and would be easiest to use.

The warren city builder could be dropped altogether and instead the mothership and space station could be the home base of rabbits.

Thoughts?

jbskaggs

Basically all this is easy enough to code- though Id have some snags continuing to to learn Godot- but plenty of coders outthere, But my artsyle is different - toyish, chidish, cute inspired by Bass Rankin animations- I would want to get as many of my assets made before health stops me- by then if needed I could get coders to finish adding them to game since the base prototype is done. SO determining direction so I can get the prototype and assets made.

Then can put together more maps and levels etc.

Basically trying to navigate thru my fog to produce something that can bring in a wee bit of income and somethin that can easily be built upon as a franchise idea. Not just a vanity project of a dying man.- Which may be pie in the sky I know.

cybereality

Yeah, prototypes are easy to do, but as the game gets more complex the time required grows exponentially. It's much better to keep it simple and make what little is there super polished and fun, than have too many elements and have them all be mediocre.

jbskaggs

@cybereality said: Yeah, prototypes are easy to do, but as the game gets more complex the time required grows exponentially. It's much better to keep it simple and make what little is there super polished and fun, than have too many elements and have them all be mediocre.

Thanks that makes sense.

some_lame_kid

A game that does multiple things really well and seemlessly is always going to be more fun and interesting than a game that does one thing really well. If you genuinely think it's possible, then do it. There's no deadline other than the one placed on your own life as far as I know.

cybereality

Yeah, if done well it would be great. My point is just that it's much harder to do well. But I guess just work on whatever you want if that's what you want to do.

jbskaggs

Thank yall for helping me think about this

All of you are providing me with helpful thoughts. It was such a big deal my wife joined me on this that I think I let my excitement run too far.

Lupas Deva my wife said she wants 3 themes, Japanese masks, Alice in Wonderland, and Halloween. She has no interest in the fps or city building aspects. SO for now I can drop those parts- so now no space mining, space station, mothership, spaceships, or rabbit warren.

SO this provides some boundaries to help me finish and lets me have some more interesting game play.

Then this gives me:

1 world map- for map selection world map divided into 3 areas:

Depending on difficulty of map generation is area would have between 3 or more maps. Each area would need a a set of hexagon themed tiles, and a set of spherical marble enemies Each area would need a matched song as well. Each set of enemies should have 7 base colored marbles, 3 types of metal marbles, 3 themed carrier (ie they carry other marbles) 6 boss marbles totaling 19 enemy types per area.

Japanese myth- with several different maps and paths Basic marbles colored to match the japanese theme, with Boss Japanese mask marbles: Hyottoko, Kitsune, blue Oni, red Oni, Tengu, Hanyya,
Alice In Wonderland- with several different maps and paths Basic marbles colored to match the alice theme of chess and cards, with Alice in Wonderland bossmarbles: walrus, white rabbit, cheshire cat, prince of knaves, red king, red queen
Halloween Town- with several different maps and paths Halloween colored marbles, boss marbles: jelly, skull, jackolantern, goblin, black cat, skeleton king

Then one End Boss map and path with all enemy types and towers all maps are Tower Defense Maps

I would love any further suggestions or critiques. Thanks JB

xyz

That sounds much more defined and much more doable. Btw what will be your main parameters to ramp up difficulty for each world?

lupas-deva

I'm enjoying learning blender. These tutorials are pretty good as long as I ignore local distractions. ![]

cybereality

@jbskaggs said: Lupas Deva my wife said she wants 3 themes, Japanese masks, Alice in Wonderland, and Halloween.

I like your wife already. You're a very lucky man.

cybereality

@jbskaggs said: I would love any further suggestions or critiques. Thanks JB

Yeah, this sounds much better. I think that is enough of an idea to start working on it.

jbskaggs

@xyz said: That sounds much more defined and much more doable. Btw what will be your main parameters to ramp up difficulty for each world?

Basically the goal is to have 3 levels of completion on one map. If you reach 20 waves you complete easy, 60 waves you complete normal, 100 waves you complete expert. The difficulties and types of enemies change per level. As well as the upgrade and money requirements.

some_lame_kid

Funny, I also have a game based on rabbit in concept, though it's far removed from yours.

jbskaggs

Great! there aint enough rabbit games out there.

jbskaggs

XYZ's comment on how I need to simplify the art, the color themes, and professionally made my wife and disuss this. We will be simplifying the art greatly- keeping the current map ideas: plain marble map, halloween map, kitsune map, and alice in wonderland map- and a possible easter instead of halloween in order of things one day. She is going to be working on the assets- which leaves me working on the coding and organization.

As of today I reworked the enemy waves 1 thru 20 the easy victory of map 1 the plain marble map. I will be adding the other two levels 21-40 normal, 41-60 hard, 61-100 IronBunny. SO whle she is doing the art I will finish reinstalling much of the gui, menu screens, map page, coding. But finishing the first normal marble mapo with all upgrades, mechanics, balance, and music will be a major milestone I think we can reach soon.

I may actually end up buying some assets to save time. Today's healthscare ruined my whole day's programming schedule. There is a second project about cancer I started years back I may continue if a friend ok's me imitating him a little.

The new drugs they put me on actually unlock my mind a bit by relieving the pain for 12 hour stretches, This means maybe I will be able to accelerate my progress a bit. I mean the past few weeks I kind spun my wheels experimenting with concepts and storylines, but which I think really just delayed me.

Anyway Ill be posting updates of the new marble set and game play soon hopefully for all three difficulties on first plain marble map.