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cybereality

So I watched 1984, what an amazing film. I would almost say it's the first movie I've seen that might actually be better than the book. I mean the book is up there, but rather slow. I think the pacing of the movie was better and the things they cut out left it to the imagination and maybe worked better.

Can't believe I never watched it before (considering it's my favorite book, that I've read at least 3 times). Strange, but at least I saw it now. Also, the transfer was really good quality, I guess cause it was shot on film. It was the 1080p Blu-Ray but honestly looked better than some new movies at 4K (since digital is not the same). Really worth watching.

jbskaggs

Yes it is. And it stays with you. I wonder if there is a game version yet?

cybereality

It would probably be a rather boring game, sadly.

Bimbam

Maybe not based on it directly but I feel plenty of games draw inspiration from 1984.

Another classic of the sam ilk is Logan's Run though not really related. Or if you want a more modern take on 1984, equilibrium or V for Vendetta both spring to mind.

fire7side

I suppose if you just take the premise of an over manipulative government, it works as a game. It's been ages since I read it. At that point it's pretty unrecognizable, though. You could do interesting things in the background like having them change allies and everyone just completely going along with it with doublethink or whatever it was called. The trouble was the government watched them for too long without doing anything, so there's no feedback loop, there. I've been thinking about my game and I know I have to stay in the casual game department. I can do simple stealth but not anything that requires fast movement or anything. The action adventure games, roleplaying etc, are just too well developed to even consider competing in that arena. I pretty much have to use keyboard and mouse movement, though, for a first person.
I just tried out the Dialogic plugin and it's pretty impressive. That's going to save a lot of code.

cybereality

Yeah, I could see something in the same world but with a different story and characters working.

jbskaggs

@cybereality said: It would probably be a rather boring game, sadly.

Papers please, and We happy few are both fun. If it was a game it would be a psychological tense game. A serious game for adults- in the same way The Shining was a serious movie for adults. Remember your comments on how former ways of thinking about games hinder the creative process? This would not be a shooter game, it would be a political horror game.

Logun's Run, Brave New World, Brazil, ThX-1138 are all similar vein of movies.

I think on very serious note, games are potentially as powerful as novels or books for sharing and exploring important themes. As a pastor I have found some CRPG's were able to have spiritual discussions not possible before. There was one game that was focused on the doctrinal arguments of baptism, another focused on the ramifications of what would happened if God did return but he came back as a destroyer. These were both AAA games but they caused pretty deep conversations in my church among the youth and gamer crowd. (I do not wish to discuss the religious aspects- just the games potential for serious dialog of ideas).

As an engineer I found games like Bridge simulator or city builders to inspire new architects and engineers,

And as an armchair historian there are many games that can really help you better understand our past.

But the big flaw that happens with games- is they always attempt to "monetize" or "fun-nify" a game to the point it becomes either cringeworthy or "commercialized" so that it loses its impact.

But I think a game down correctly say Animal Farm told from the Mother Dog's point of view. Or 1984 told from Winston's POV would be great ay in the vein of a game like GameDec or possibility Pillars of Eternity but with out combat.

Calinou

It was the 1080p Blu-Ray but honestly looked better than some new movies at 4K

Blu-Ray has much higher bitrate at a given resolution compared to streaming platforms, so this is understandable. Not all streaming platforms will serve an equal bitrate at a given resolution too, with some of the popular choices (Netflix) being less than ideal on this aspect.

cybereality

@jbskaggs said: Papers please, and We happy few are both fun. If it was a game it would be a psychological tense game. A serious game for adults- in the same way The Shining was a serious movie for adults.

Yeah, that's a good point. I guess it could be made to work, but yeah, it wouldn't be a shooter.

fire7side

@jbskaggs said:

But the big flaw that happens with games- is they always attempt to "monetize" or "fun-nify" a game to the point it becomes either cringeworthy or "commercialized" so that it loses its impact.

But I think a game down correctly say Animal Farm told from the Mother Dog's point of view. Or 1984 told from Winston's POV would be great ay in the vein of a game like GameDec or possibility Pillars of Eternity but with out combat.

Yeah, it's like we've been waiting 40 years for games to grow up but it never seems to happen. That's why I'm hoping indy games will explore more ideas. There are some that come close. It's a tough problem because a game isn't a movie, but you just feel like they are so lacking in depth. RPG's almost seem like cracker jacks where there's a toy in every box. The action adventures are pretty good, but it's like an Indiana Jones type plot. Maybe we just can't sit down for dialog anymore.

jbskaggs

@fire7side said:

@jbskaggs said:

But the big flaw that happens with games- is they always attempt to "monetize" or "fun-nify" a game to the point it becomes either cringeworthy or "commercialized" so that it loses its impact.

But I think a game down correctly say Animal Farm told from the Mother Dog's point of view. Or 1984 told from Winston's POV would be great ay in the vein of a game like GameDec or possibility Pillars of Eternity but with out combat.

Yeah, it's like we've been waiting 40 years for games to grow up but it never seems to happen. That's why I'm hoping indy games will explore more ideas. There are some that come close. It's a tough problem because a game isn't a movie, but you just feel like they are so lacking in depth. RPG's almost seem like cracker jacks where there's a toy in every box. The action adventures are pretty good, but it's like an Indiana Jones type plot. Maybe we just can't sit down for dialog anymore.

Yes Indie games can do this. There is a game from 2007 I would post it here but I dont know if it's allowed. But its called the Passage a free game - public domain. But it won all kinds of awards and tells a wonderful if not sad story with no words, texts or special effects and extremely low graphics. If I can post it let me know. But it is an example of something that can tell a complete story.

BTW waiting for games to "grow up" is an awesome way of putting it.

jbskaggs

@fire7side said: I suppose if you just take the premise of an over manipulative government, it works as a game. It's been ages since I read it. At that point it's pretty unrecognizable, though. You could do interesting things in the background like having them change allies and everyone just completely going along with it with doublethink or whatever it was called. The trouble was the government watched them for too long without doing anything, so there's no feedback loop, there. I've been thinking about my game and I know I have to stay in the casual game department. I can do simple stealth but not anything that requires fast movement or anything. The action adventure games, roleplaying etc, are just too well developed to even consider competing in that arena. I pretty much have to use keyboard and mouse movement, though, for a first person.
I just tried out the Dialogic plugin and it's pretty impressive. That's going to save a lot of code.

Dialogic sounds wonderful I will look into. I am hoping it will work with my gnome game.

fire7side

@jbskaggs said:

Yes Indie games can do this. There is a game from 2007 I would post it here but I dont know if it's allowed. But its called the Passage a free game - public domain. But it won all kinds of awards and tells a wonderful if not sad story with no words, texts or special effects and extremely low graphics. If I can post it let me know. But it is an example of something that can tell a complete story.

I took a look. Interesting. I've heard about To The Moon. It's an indie game that people rave about. Finally ordered it.

cybereality

Mass Effect 1 was pretty good (never played the sequels, been meaning to play the remaster). It had a lot of dialog, but it wasn't boring, and your choices also mattered. Life is Strange was about the best game ever for this type of thing. It explored serious topics, which I can't really explain if you haven't played it, but it was a very serious game. And there wasn't really gameplay in the normal sense, it was more like a movie but with branches and dialog choices.

cybereality

This is the best game ever. February 1st.

Bimbam

I feel like Disco Elysium would be the best candidate to serve as a basse for a 1984 game.

Just a pure narrative experience.

jbskaggs

@Bimbam said: I feel like Disco Elysium would be the best candidate to serve as a basse for a 1984 game.

Just a pure narrative experience.

That might be true. GameDec is the same way.

jbskaggs

@cybereality said: Mass Effect 1 was pretty good (never played the sequels, been meaning to play the remaster). It had a lot of dialog, but it wasn't boring, and your choices also mattered. Life is Strange was about the best game ever for this type of thing. It explored serious topics, which I can't really explain if you haven't played it, but it was a very serious game. And there wasn't really gameplay in the normal sense, it was more like a movie but with branches and dialog choices.

Mass Effect and Dragon Age are the same game just different eras. You can actually share armor and assets between the two. And I loved all of them. Although I never finished Dragon Age 3 when I hit a glich and could not finish without replaying the whole game. Which I may do later.

fire7side

Those rpg's where your choices matter are nearly impossible to write. It would probably take a whole team of writers. It's also not technically game play in my book any more than shuffling a deck of cards is game play. If there is some skill involved in choosing the outcome, it's a game. If you just decide if you want blue pants or green pants, without knowing the outcome and which would be a better choice for some reason, it's just a roll of the dice. And I mean deciding if you get married or not or any of it.
It also tends to water things down. It's like well I don't want to have Romeo and Juliet to die in the end so I'll give a choice here. You just destroyed the entire story. And nobody actually goes back and plays it again so they have no idea whether it was a good choice or not, because they would still be replaying a majority of the game a second time. I realize it also adds interest and makes the player feel more involved so it's good that way. If you are deciding which moves to make to defeat an enemy, those are things that can be re-used over and over and it actually qualifies as a game because you know when the best place to use them is involved and you can arrange them in different order to get the best result. If it's a puzzle you shift around the pieces until they give the required result. That's game play at least in my book, but it does take somewhat of a mixture just like adding a dice toss in a board game and picking a card that changes your fate.

jbskaggs

Yep and that was a huge problem for Mass Effect 2 where the end was only a choice of color overlay.

But in a game like 1984 - you would give the illusion of choice but the results are the same though maybe slightly varied - such as a different charcter gets arrested than the one you expect. But yes just like restrictin colors to a pallette you would have to restrict choices to the stories end- but allow for a little creative ending that would not kill the message. Such as when you are begging not to be eaten by rats you could have variations of the begging choice to blame Julia, to protect Julia, or renounce Julia and though your fate remains the same Julia's fate would change and you would see it. But you still end up awaiting execution in the gin bar asking does 2+2=? The differences being who all did you destroy before the state destroys you.

Yes this method would have to flesh out some minor book characters more than the book so you would be emotionally connected. Show a few more of the punishments the movie glazed over. Such the Health Committee sending officers to your home for remedial exercise re-education.

My word I would love to write this game. Though I do not even know where the legal ability to do so would be. Possible would have to be a derivative inspired by the novel.

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