Unity Tech. set to de-emphasize games in favor of film, visualization, ect...

Ace_Dragon

https://www.businessinsider.com/unity-ceo-john-riccitiello-opportunity-beyond-gaming-2018-9?r=UK&IR=T

If the direction goes as planned, then future developments for Unity will see its primary focus shifted from game creation to visualization (such as for construction, CAD, and medical) along with film making. The reason for this is because of the potentially massive revenue opportunities.

This can also become an opportunity for Godot if it stays focused on games, because we can work to attract users who might begin to feel overlooked, especially when considering Riccitiello's prediction that the game makers who use it will be reduced to a niche (as the revenue they generate for the company gets outstripped by Hollywood, TV studios, advertising companies, and visualization companies.

To former Unity users and those testing Godot, what do you think? For other Godot users, can this be an opportunity for us?

Calinou

While not related to Unity, it's also interesting to note that a few years ago, Unigine shifted from games to professional visualization applications, simulations, and so on.

GarromOrcShaman

@Calinou said: While not related to Unity, it's also interesting to note that a few years ago, Unigine shifted from games to professional visualization applications, simulations, and so on.

That is probably reason why I (indie game developer) never heard of Unigine. I personally think it will be great opportunity for GoDot, after all, Unity is big beast and takes a lot of users. I already see legions of studios and individuals fleeing towards GoDot because according to Slant.co, GoDot is best with awesome 91/100 points which means that GoDot is on first place out of 61 game engines. At the time that Unity Team fully refocus their targets, rewrite to Vulcan will be finished. I really look forward to Vulcan because poor 3D capabilities does quite trashing the potential of otherwise great game engine.

MagicLord

Nothing new. It's the way Uniengine took once it had very good rendering and optimized for games.

Unity has already been uses for simulation and other stuff, and lately it's used for movies also. UE4 was already used to produce TV movies for children and other non entertainment companies. I think Unity is just saying they are putting more effort to advert to those non gaming companies. For movies, the 3D engine needs to be optimized to render complex scenes, and able deliver top state of 3D art rendering. Movies companies benefit from games, because games are real time and always trying to push the boundaries on graphics fidelity.

For Godot it is too much earlier, it lacks cinematic quality post effects, many tools, and lacks optimization on real time GI or complex scenes rendering and culling. While it could be by CAD or other non realistic companies.

@GarromOrcShaman said:

@Calinou said: While not related to Unity, it's also interesting to note that a few years ago, Unigine shifted from games to professional visualization applications, simulations, and so on.

That is probably reason why I (indie game developer) never heard of Unigine. I personally think it will be great opportunity for GoDot, after all, Unity is big beast and takes a lot of users. I already see legions of studios and individuals fleeing towards GoDot because according to Slant.co, GoDot is best with awesome 91/100 points which means that GoDot is on first place out of 61 game engines. At the time that Unity Team fully refocus their targets, rewrite to Vulcan will be finished. I really look forward to Vulcan because poor 3D capabilities does quite trashing the potential of otherwise great game engine.

You are meaning about 2D i think, on 3D i doubt most Unity users will quit Unity to Godot.

One example showing how fast and how superior Unity workflow can be

Ace_Dragon

You can fix all of Unity's weaknesses if you have enough money to burn on dozens of plugins, but the point is Godot remaining on a course where you ideally do not need plugins at all for everything other than niche or highly specialized tools. I know Unity is also taking this route, but you now have to take into account this change in direction (what film makers and advertisers need is often different from what is needed by game makers).

MagicLord

@Ace Dragon said: You can fix all of Unity's weaknesses if you have enough money to burn on dozens of plugins, but the point is Godot remaining on a course where you ideally do not need plugins at all for everything other than niche or highly specialized tools. I know Unity is also taking this route, but you now have to take into account this change in direction (what film makers and advertisers need is often different from what is needed by game makers).

CryEngine has been used for military training long time ago, Unity also for simulation,UE4 also used for TV movie or for car companies visualization. There is really nothing new.

If you had followed some Unity events you would already knew Unity was focused on movies some years ago ;)

* About tools, if you think tools like Gaia is a niche plugin you are wrong, its 'the next generation of terrain tools.

With Gaia you'll create amazing terrains in some hour, while it's very tedious and long in UE4 or CryEngine because they don't have procedural and stamp terrain tools.

Next Generation tools are procedural , they are created and used in most AAA games and some indie games. When Godot will get such terrain capability tools then we will be able to compare or talk tools capability if you want.

Ace_Dragon

However, this is the first time their CEO explicitly talked about the TV and film segment being a more important market for Unity (and by a significant margin at that) than the game creators who helped build the engine to where it is today.

And I know about Gaia, but what I said is that plugins for general purpose things like terrain shouldn't be needed in the ideal game creation software.

MagicLord

@Ace Dragon said: However, this is the first time their CEO explicitly talked about the TV and film segment being a more important market for Unity (and by a significant margin at that) than the game creators who helped build the engine to where it is today.

Unity is using something i consider expensive subscription from 35$ to 125$ , it's a big revenue they get. Movie would be more important, they would make Unity for games totally free of charge, you mean perhaps this will happen ?

And I know about Gaia, but what I said is that plugins for general purpose things like terrain shouldn't be needed in the ideal game creation software.

UniEngine, UE4, CryEngine, Unity, Decima Engine and others AAA. I think we won't agree about 3D and fundation tools again ;)

For example i come back to a project and i want to change the map or make another place, i want to modify the terrain map directly in the editor, without having to do multi import to Godot each time i change something. Without having to start an external tool and without leaving Godot editor is the best and faster workflow ( like Armory 3D ).

GarromOrcShaman

@MagicLord said: For example i come back to a project and i want to change the map or make another place, i want to modify the terrain map directly in the editor, without having to do multi import to Godot each time i change something. Without having to start an external tool and without leaving Godot editor is the best and faster workflow ( like Armory 3D ).

Agree, I personally like tilemap and grid map for level design. probably because I'm more into arcade-like games than realistic games. For realistic games, yeah, that would be great but let's be honest, Unity's terrein editor is good for experimenting but in practic useless. This is where Unreal excel. Besides this, someone is working on terrain editor plugin,I did not heard much about it, I'm happy with grids but I thing it was pretty close to stable release. I even found heightmap based terrain generator

MagicLord

@GarromOrcShaman said: Agree, I personally like tilemap and grid map for level design. probably because I'm more into arcade-like games than realistic games. For realistic games, yeah, that would be great but let's be honest, Unity's terrein editor is good for experimenting but in practic useless. This is where Unreal excel.

Your view on Unity terrain is not the reality, you can be against Unity saying that but you've got no objectivity and this discredits you a lot.

There is many mmos games on Steam using Unity terrain, also lot of mobile games uses Unity terrain. Or some AAA game like Recore using terrain :D (one of the best action gameplay i enjoyed a lot)

@GarromOrcShaman said: For realistic games, yeah, that would be great but let's be honest, Unity's terrein editor is good for experimenting but in >practic useless. This is where Unreal excel.

You made my day lol

Before comparing make some research and we'll talk more perhaps.

I disagree with Unity license and pricing, but unlike many people here i'm not fanboy of Godot, Unity or UE4 and i can recognize the strength they have.

You seem very late to what is doing and their last progress with HDR pipeline or multi threaded job system :D

You can see how good and smooth frame rate Unity can do for real time archi viz

@GarromOrcShaman said: I even found heightmap based terrain generator

It's a good plugin, but i prefer directly included in the editor and native C++, with LOD also.

I know what i can quickly create and craft with Unity and what limitation Godot has. We can talk all the day about Unity terrain and plugins :)

* What is disappointing is Godot editor has more official 2D tool than 3D official Tools included, that's not good for those working on 3D.

GarromOrcShaman

@MagicLord said: Why Godot editor has more 2D tool than 3D Tools included ? Why 2D tools have more priority than 3D ones ? Not sure about it but I guess that GoDot was originally 2D only and 3D was added later which explains why 3D seems to me immature in compared to 2D

I was using Unity two months ago. When I said that Unity's terrain editor is useless it was meant that it is useless for individual specialized in retro looking games. Terain editor is not capable of doing sharp edges or strict levels which is easy achivable with tiles. If you want realistic grampic and you got like 10 devs doing map, sure, why not. I have no actual experience with Unreal but others says it rendering well. From perspective of someone who never tried Unreal Engine, UE looks like heavily graphic oriented, which is not good if you want your game look retro.

MagicLord

@GarromOrcShaman said: I was using Unity two months ago. When I said that Unity's terrain editor is useless it was meant that it is useless for individual specialized in retro looking games. Terain editor is not capable of doing sharp edges or strict levels which is easy achivable with tiles

Why would you bring Retro and compare terrain and 3D tiles, stop discrediting yourself :D

It's okay people don't like X or Y 3D engine, but admit it instead of bringing false arguments without any objectivity.

@GarromOrcShaman said: From perspective of someone who never tried Unreal Engine, UE looks like heavily graphic oriented, which is not good if you want your game look retro.

Why are you are prising UE4 without having used it ?

I like and use UE4 , on very large maps UE4 handles lot better things and has more tools, but it is not perfect. For some things Unity is best, watch again the Unity videos above and tell me it's not almost as good as some UE4 terrains rendering.

Each 3D engine , small or big , is best for some things. I hope some people stop acting as fanboys and will understand that ;)

@GarromOrcShaman said: If you want realistic grampic and you got like 10 devs doing map, sure, why not. I have no actual experience with Unreal but others says it rendering well. From perspective of someone who never tried Unreal Engine, UE looks like heavily graphic oriented, which is not good if you want your game look retro.

Your point is indies to make Witcher 3 game quality and detail, content, story , characters ... it won't happen. Indies making big maps with nature and buildings, it's possible in some minutes and you don't need 10 level designers ? lol

Why people are so so jaleous of Unity plugins ? You need those ? then use Unity and stop bashing it :)

BinaryOrange

@MagicLord: Your comments are once again coming across as rude and condescending. You are continuing to argue with people over opinions. You have been warned twice in this thread.

I am closing this thread to prevent any future arguments. THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING. I have had to close two threads because of you in the last month. If this continues, there will be more severe action taken.

Megalomaniak

Reopened since I disagree with Binary over the issue here, but I will say this: you guy's are derailing this thread. Stay on topic or start a new discussion.

MagicLord

@BinaryOrange said: @MagicLord: Your comments are once again coming across as rude and condescending. You are continuing to argue with people over opinions.

I only gave him more information when it's affirmations are very wrong.

When you read this very stupid affirmations "Unity's terrain editor is good for experimenting but in practic useless" Don't you think it's very stupid ? * I think it's better i let fanboys stay in their ignorance and let them say what they think is real about other 3D engines :D

Godot site is about Godot users, Unity site is about Unity users, UE4 is about UE4. Coming and talking about other 3D engines on those site is never good, and you get all fanboys on your thread with totally wrong or stupid affirmations. * Close the thread, it's nothing new until Unity says their 3D engine is no more subscription and totally free lol

@AceDragon If you want good answers with lof of objectivity it's on general game dev sites you'll get open discussion, not here and not in Unity forums ;) However you can always post a thread in Godot forum with a link to an external forum discussion.

Megalomaniak

To be fair last I used unity it's terrain system was very basic, but I wouldn't say it was completely useless, no. Still it is derailing the topic and it's not really offering anything constructive here.

If you wish to do technical dissection of a specific feature/-set start a new thread and do so in a technical format deconstructing the design of it in godot and comparable or better implementations elsewhere. then comparing them pros versus cons, bullet point by point. Include references to back up your claims and make sure that the claims you are making are factual. Before posting double check for any emotional biases and remove if any.

The second paragraph is directed towards everyone BTW.

BinaryOrange

@MagicLord: Because you have failed to heed our warnings, and now have called people stupid, you are hereby banned from the forums.

You have broken several [rules ](http:// "rules"), not the least of which are:

Staying on topic
Being mindful of others, and what you say

You also somehow manage to bring up Unity or UE4 in every single thread, which can be considered "stirring the pot" and in some cases, baiting people into an argument (such as in this thread).

Good bye!