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PCMXMS

@Ross I didn't mean to say that the gameplay is wrong in any sense. It is just different from what I'm used to. I like the idea of a "moon landing" mechanics, but it is the kind of control that I will take longer to get used too :P About the keys configuration, I assumed that it was weird so as to fit all the players on the keyboard, and that's fine (for me). Maybe what you could do, though, is placing an "if" clause that, if players = 1, keys are different :P. I believe that's very easy to do and the fact that the controls are comfortable would turn everything more controllable (at least for me). Another thing is, maybe, give the option for those who want to "press down for up". I understand the "bad perception about the difficult" problem. I've been working on this platformer for 7 months now and the main complain (at the begging) was that "it was impossible". I simply couldn't see it because I was also too comfortable with the mechanics and level design. :P Some tweaks might be worth, though. Another (small) thing: There is no way (at least I couldn't find) to exit instructions without having to get back to the first page :P I played a little bit right now and it is not that hard for the second time. The only thing is that I simply can't use other weapons :P I totally agree with you on the "what's the point of doing something that has already been done a million times?". Cheers

Megalomaniak

I think I recall from talking with beelzy on IRC that the diasporic crypt project might have had those malloc errors at one point, might be worth asking about it... might have been something audio related now that I think about it. edit: Looked through beelzy's thread and found this: <blockquote class="Quote">

<a target="_blank" rel="nofollow">beelzy</a> said:

I fixed the issue with the malloc errors. Basically, this is what happened: https://github.com/godotengine/godot/issues/4332 Now it shouldn't crash on closing.

</blockquote>

Ross

@PCMXMS Good points, thanks. Yeah, my next thing to do is add configurable keys, so some of these issues will disappear. I'll have to think about changing the default keys though, I'm sure most people will play it single player, at least the first time. Ah, yeah. Adding a "back to menu" button on each instructions page has been on my to do list also. Done. If you're using the Linux build there's some unknown bug with the comma key that's player 1's switch weapon key. I've put in alternate weird keybindings at the end of the number key row. Ahh, haha, it's like some bad joke, I have got to fix this. @Megalomaniak Ah, awesome! Thanks! Yeah, I knew it was coming from the SamplePlayer that I use for most of the sounds, but couldn't figure out why it was happening. Your link helped me solve it pretty quickly though. It turns out I was an idiot and never added my global sound player scene to the scene tree. I'm surprised it worked anyway. Fixed!

quickmind2020

@Ross So how are you configuring the key inputs? In code or through actions.

Ross

@quickmind2020 Actions. I just set the input map in the editor. But I'm working on making them configurable now.

SuryaSel

I was just about to mention the need for configurable controls. I downloaded the game as it looked incredibly fun to play and polished as well. But the default control scheme is too cramped and makes it unplayable for me. Please let me know when you've got that in :)

Ross

@SuryaSel Unplayable, eh? Haha, okay. I've got configurable controls in now and uploaded a new build. <h2>Sept 15th Build - Configurable controls & analog gamepad support</h2>https://rossgrams.itch.io/gunpods-vagabond Yay, now you can set the controls to whatever you want. Boy did stinking gamepads make that five times as complicated! :P I changed the default action keys for player 1 to Z, X, C, and V, which seems to be semi-standard for indie games these days. Players 2 and 3 I just set to use gamepads by default so they won't conflict with anything. If you want to do multiplayer with the keyboard you'll have to switch things around so the keybindings don't overlap. There's still some polishing to be done on the controls menu functionality, you can turn on multiple buttons, it doesn't consume the input properly, you can't customize the joystick deadzone, etc., but it works. Hopefully by next week I'll have it more polished. Also, support for analog joysticks on a gamepad is done. I started this to try and work around Godot bugs, but it was high time I did it anyway. I'll probably have to tweak how turning with a joystick works, it's a bit twitchy, but it's quite nice having analog control for your thrust. Also fixed those few other things you guys mentioned here: Fixed the errors and occasional crashes on exit from the Sampleplayer, added "Back to Menu" buttons on each instructions menu page, and since I changed player 1's keys, there's no longer any problem with the switch button on linux. That was actually a bug on windows, it calls the comma key "Colon" for some reason. I reported that on github, so hopefully it will be fixed, or I can fairly easily work around it.

SuryaSel

Just tried your new build and I absolutely love it man! Looks too good for what essentially is a developing stage. The gameplay is reasonably challenging and the control scheme of the ship is innovative works really well. And the visuals are just brilliant. And yeah, the controlling the ship does take a short while before get the hang of it, so please give it a little time and patience and you'll find it very rewarding and addictive after that, it's really one of the main things that game stand out. A word of advice would be to not keep the thrust key held down but use it in short bursts instead (As you might try the former approach in a conventional 2D Space Shooter, where your 'strafing' essentially behaves like a thruster, but that approach simply won't work here). Alright, enough raving, now time for the main issue I found with the game, which is borderline game-breaking as it lets you beat the game forever without any challenge. If you just pickup the Grenade Launcher and push your ship to the top wall, then you can just stay invulnerable forever and easily take out that occasional block/asteroid that comes your way. This is made even easier by the low frequency of obstacles at the top corner. Here's a demo pic of what I meant. <img alt="" src="https://s13.postimg.org/nyo2acqyf/gunvaga1.png" title="Image: https://s13.postimg.org/nyo2acqyf/gunvaga1.png"> The easiest solution to this according to me would be to make top corner collisions damage the ship, just like the bottom corner does. Or maybe have enemies coming from above as well, if you want the top to retain that 'open' feel or whatever. More obstacles hurtling to/across the top line may work too. You may ofcourse have a much better workarounds, these are just my suggestions. But seriously man, this game is awesome. Not tried the Co-op yet, but will check it out soon. PvP spaceship battles also sound fun to me, if you plan to add it that is :) Thanks, Surya Sel.

Ross

@SuryaSel Hey, thanks for your feedback! Glad you liked it. That's interesting that you were able to hang out at the top forever like that. The enemy and blocks should spawn evenly across the whole area. I did recently make the top boundary much closer to the edge of the screen, so maybe that messed it up. I will check it out. Do you remember how far you got? It keeps getting harder until you hit 10 minutes. I've thought about PvP, but I wasn't sure how well it would work since the ships are only meant to face in one direction generally. All I have to do to implement it is make the bullets collide with players, so I'll definitely give it a try one of these days.

SuryaSel

I must have hung around for like 3-4 minutes before I got bored so I dived back in to play it 'the way it is meant to be played' ;) . Note that I could only do this when I got hold of the Grenade Launcher due to it's ability to one-shot AoE just about anything the game throws at you. Alright, maybe I couldn't have hung on forever, but the point here is this umm...'wallriding' mechanic greatly reduces to the game's challenge and intensity.  Oh yeah, sorry to nitpick here, but there's another exploit I found as well in subsequent playthroughs, but this is not so big a deal. The lets me configure identical controls to all three ships, giving me not only combined firepower but also that ability to snatch a second-wind survival a la Borderlands 2. This could maybe be another fun diversion of a gamemode but I don't think you intended this in the primary gamemode. One last suggestion for this post, please increase the damage taken from hitting the ground (or add some other penalty atleast). I ran into many crowded scenarios where I could just bang the ground and escape instead of making the effort to pull out of it due to lower damage I took from it (or so it felt) combined with the low risk involved. And regarding PvP, you could possibly add a 'flip' button that just mirrors your ship to face the other side, perhaps to make the combat more dynamic. Thanks, Surya Sel.

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